4 the Birds #94

[Bailey's Mom]

Hi Ladies,

I hope I am not overstepping my boundaries here by starting a post - but aren't you two out of bed yet?

I replied to the #93 post and said I would LOVE to join you and already I am facing a dilemma.

I am treating my coworker to breakfast this morning and here is where I always screw up. I go by the price value and not the health value. Is this demented or what? So I just want something healthy like one egg, some toast and maybe one piece of bacon (for a treat) and fruit would be good. But because all those side orders add up to more than a plate of food, I opt for the plate instead and eat everything on it.

So I will try to be good here and don't worry about my pocketbook but instead worry about the spare tire I am carrying around my middle!

Will let you know how it goes. Actually feeling accountable to you guys is going to make me make a good choice.

Signed,

Too cheap to be skinny ;0)

[Bailey's Mom]

Ok, I am back. Don't worry I promise not to be this obsessive in the future.

My coworker wanted 3 piece french toast with a side order of sausages. So I ordered the one egg breakie (poached) that comes with four sausages, I will give them to her, and it will have toast and then I upgraded the to fruit instead of hashbrowns. So that is roughly going to be 7 or 8 points for breakfast.

oops had to phone back and get no butter on my toast!!! **** I'm good.

And for lunch I am having an egg salad sandwhich (more cholesterol) and some veggie soup I made last night for my boyfriend and I to snack on over the weekend. Did that with a veggie stew last weekend and he loved it. He loves the fact that I am a good cook - as he doesn't know how.

[PattiG]

Charmaine,
I have a confession too....I'm at work as well right now. I only have a quick minute to post but hopefully will be back later or definitely tonight (Maple, will you be on IM tonight?) Welcome, welcome, welcome! There used to be 3 or 4 regular "4 the birders" and a few occasional visitors. Lately it's just been Maple and I. Our small gang has always been fun because it's easier to keep up with everyone's news and respond to it (which can be somewhat difficult in the more popular threads when a few dozen people are posting). And you're right...it helps to be accountable to others. Maple and I are straightforward with our ups and downs (aren't we Maple?!).

Seems like you got a better handle on your breakfast challenge this morning. Good! Sorry one of us didn't get to post early with other possible suggestions. I tend to stay away from sausages when out for breakfast cause they can really crank up the points...but substituting the fruit was perfect.

As far as posting, we usually hit the "reply" button to add a post to an already numbered thread. When we get up to about 20 posts, someone usually starts a new numbered heading. For example, you started 4 The Birds #93. We'll all keep posting under #93 until we get 20 posts or so and then start thread number #94.

See ya later and so glad you'll be joining us!
Patti

[Maple]

Good Tuesday afternoon girls!

I've been a good little camper :exercise2 WooHoo! Now that I'm over to #94, I've forgotten most of what I wanted to respond to so if I miss something, please forgive me.

Patti am still doing the Thursday thing. The pot luck dinner last night wasn't really an OP event, but I didn't go overboard so I should be fine. Worst thing might be a little stall for a few days. Hmmm, what am I talking about? I've been stalled for quite awhile now haven't I?

Charmaine, do you go to WW meetings? I don't.....just do it at home because I've done WW so long I should be a leader. Guess I don't qualify yet at this weight. Another thing came to mind while reading your post. Which WW plan are you doing? I pretty much stay to the Core program because when I went AWOL from here awhile back I did South Beach until WW came up with a program I felt was best for me.

Bringing in the birdhouses really isn't necessary........just take them down and clean them out. Bird feeders are what they need now if you want some winter activity and make life easier for our little feathered friends. We will have hummingbirds again with us all winter so I'm getting ready to put out the nectar feeders once the fushia blooms are gone.

Patti, remember me telling you about the abundance of berries on the trees and shrubs? Guess what? Mother nature provides extra nurishment for the critters in anticipation of a hard winter. I think this might be the one. My aunt and uncle from back east are coming housesit for us for a couple of months when we head south for the winter. I keep reminding them how mild the winters are here because I'd like them to move back. Of course, now they are coming to stay, I bet we have the grandaddy of nasty winter weather this year. LOL They will sure give me the "gears" if they get a lot of snow.

Patti I agree with your email..............this ought to be a good thing to keep us in line. :D

[Bailey's Mom]

Hi Patti and Maple,

Congrats Maple for doing "pretty good" at the potluck last night. Anything tasty that you want to tell me about?

I DO go WI once a month as I am a Lifetimer. But I haven't gone lately. I knew I was going to be up at the end of October and didn't go. I will go before the end of November though. I am Tuesday nights, so next week!

I was following a good program before I met DB and it was just like the Core Program, but I have strayed since meeting him. Getting back to it though.

BIRDS - I will put my hummingbird feeder out then! Didn't know they came around in the winter. The birds prefer to nest in the eaves of my house rather than the birdhouses (probably don't have them in good places). I don't mind them up there, my landlord doesn't care about the house, so I figure the birds can live up there all they want. I think it is cute anyway.

I hope we don't have an extremely cold winter this year Maple! Shame on you for even thinking it. ha ha We have been pretty lucky though. It was a warm summer (from what I remember) and now the Fall is pretty mild too. So far.

So I invited another BCBer to check us out and join us if she feels like it. Her name is Pat and she is from Nova Scotia (out Patti's way). I hope she finds her way here....

Well I ate 2.5 of those chocolates (I didn't actually swear in my last post about the chocolates, but I guess it got filtered out anyway). I am not a potty-mouth, all my coworkers are and when I met DB he used to joke and say he was dating a trucker. So that stopped pretty quickly and now I don't swear at all. I didn't even realize I was using those naughty words.

Ok, this is totally off topic, but I need to share something with the entire world - I am just totally IN LOVE! My DB is the best and lately we have gotten to the point where we have this perfect relationship. Sure we have our ups and downs, but they are little hiccups only. Anyway, I don't want to bore you with my silly little love bursts I have been having lately (my coworker is probably happy that she gets a small repreive).

Well gotta run.

[PattiG]

Maple you're heading south for a "couple of months?" I hope you're taking your laptop with you! Where will you be heading to?

Guess what? The juncos were back again today....not 1 or 2 or 3 but FOUR of them!! I'm telling you we are going to be frozen out this winter (at least in the North). As I said before, we never get juncos before the first snow. Weeeee're in trooooouble!

Charmaine I think it's wonderful that you are overflowing in love. You SHOULD be bursting!! I wish there were more people who felt that way about their relationships. I think it's a sad state of affairs when women simply "settle." So ONWARD...let the WORLD know....skip down the hallway, sing in the restroom, put little hearts on your inter-office memo's! :headover:

Charmaine, you asked for some strategies to avoiding the morning munchies when you are not busy at work? Are you drinking at least4-6 glasses of water and decaf beverages every day? I find that the water helps to stave off the hunger (somewhat). I have a hard time drinking plain old water, so in the cold weather I usually boil water and add some lime or lemon to it. You can add some sweetner too if you'd like. If you're a tea drinker this might work for you. Most coffee drinkers need a stronger tasting hot drink. I can say however, that when I drink caffeinated coffee in the morning...I get hungrier sooner. Perhaps the oils in the coffee are irritating to the stomach and causing a hunger pang. Either way...try increasing your liquid intake. It'll keep your hands occupied and help give your stomach a full feeling.

[Maple]

It's nice to hear love is in the air. Patti is right. Sing it out in the hallways, stand on the balcony in the rotunda and shout out "I'm in love" and wait for the echo to love you back. Send everyone in your e-mail address book a love song and include lots of xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox to pass around. Tell the birds nesting in your roof you're in love.......they'll sing out the news to all that are near. Keep us posted..........a ring for Christmas maybe....???? You know wha they say about the appetite when you're in love.......you don't feel like eating! Now that's what I call a good weight loss plan. ;)

Oh BTW Charmaine. If you don't have hummingbirds during the spring and summer and/or haven't seen any in your yard, don't bother with the feeder. These winter hummers don't show up all over town and where they do, the homeowners pamper and baby them though the worst of the winter. Last year I had 4 nectar feeders on the go at once; 2 outdoors while the other 2 were inside thawing out..............that's when we had that icy cold week sometime in January.

Patti, the Nuthatchs have arrived. It might have only been one and I didn't see it but I could hear it's unmistakable chatter to the birds in it's way at the feeder. Also a flock of about 40 Bushtits flew in and transformed the suet feeder into a living ball of twittering energy. They are all coming home and stocking up for-----dare I say?------Burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

I got my treadmilling and exercises done again. I'm actually starting to look forward to doing them. OK OK that is a bit of a stretch, but I am beginning to feel the extra energy it's giving me and liking that at least. Patti, I asked you what speed and incline you work out at.........did you forget? LOL Also in your time, say a 30 minute workout, do you do a 5 minute warm up and then a 5 minute cool down before and after your 30 minutes?

Oh I almost forgot. Yes we will be away for about 2 months this winter, and YES I will take my laptop. I don't know how often I'll have internet access though so I'll just have to post up a storm whenever I get the chance. We could always email each other too because that takes only a couple of minutes of being connected to send and retrieve email. Will be be alright OPwise? Let's try our best buddie.

[PattiG]

Maple: Yes, I did forget to answer you about the treadmill. In fact, my memory has been so bad lately that I'm not even sure I remember you asking me! lol You know, it's one of those junior-senior moments.

Before jumping on the treadmill I will usually stretch out for about 5 minutes. It might sound silly but don't forget to stretch out your arms and neck too even though it might seem like only your legs are getting the bulk of the workout. I've gotten cramps in my upper arm and neck when I forget to do this.

Once I get on the treadmill I will slowly increase the speed from 2.8 to 3.6 over the next 5 minutes. No incline at any point for me because my lower back starts to ache. I usually walk at a speed between 3.5 - 3.8. And yes, I'll end with a five minutes slow/cool down.

Catch ya later!
Patti

[Bailey's Mom]

Morning Ladies,

Thanks for all the advice.

I ate a hot oatmeal breakie and AM drinking lots of water. I try to have a tea in the AM too just to stave of the boredom hunger. I don't drink coffee, so thankfully I don't have that to worry about.

Good point Patti about many women "settling" in a relationship they may not be happy in. That was me over a year ago. My DB at the time and I bought a house and it should have been a happy time but we just started fighting about money and responsibilities and the relationship was not fun. So I made a hard decision to end the relationship, sell the house, split up the dogs, etc. Well it was hard and I am glad I did it. Then I gave myself some time to be "by myself" and went on that trip to Italy with my Mom. While I was there I was crying away to my Mom about how I felt I would never meet anyone special, blah, blah, snivell, snivell. So what happens? A week after I get home I meet my current DB and we have had such a great time together. We grew up in the same town, same high school (although he is two years ahead of me) so we kind of knew each other a wee bit. He'd been in the same kind of relationship as me (both had younger partners). Anyway, it is just great and it is even better than I ever thought it could be and I am glad I ended the other relationship that could have lasted but been boring (that seems to be the best word to fit it for now).

Thanks for letting me share some non-WW talk. As for being in love and not wanting to eat, unfortunately I am past that - ha ha.

We are having chicken souvlaki for dinner tonight and that is pretty healthy and filling for just a few points. I will also steam some veggies for the side. And rice for DB.

Tomorrow is the Remembrance Day ceremony and I go every year with my family. Then we toddle off to the Legion for a bit. Everyone drinks beer and eats these incredibly fattening sandwiches (cheese and onion, tuna, etc.), so I am going to have a huge, healthy breakfast first and then have lunch after I go there. Won't I look like I have oodles of willpower, ha ha.

I think I get bushtits in my yard!!! They come in a large herd and they love this bush I have. It is a bush with these long brown things that hang off it, the brown things make a mess when they dry up and fall. But the amount of birds that flock to it are incredible. I need to get a bird book. My Mom babies her hummingbirds - she is a little obssessed. But it is really neat to watch.

We finally got groceries last night and I got lots of fresh fruits, veggies and we planned the next few meals that we will be home for. I have lots of WW recipes from this site and the weekly emails WW sends, so there are lots of options. He doesn't like spicy things or fish though (I love both). He likes a lot of beef (and chicken). But with his Mom having cancer and very adamant that beef and unorganic stuff, etc, being unhealthy, I have been trying to cook less and more healthy. Keeps us all happy.

Ok, we are treadmill triplets!!! I have started doing my cardio at the gym on a treadmill and I do the same speed! Maybe that is normal for people? But it seemed like a coincidence to me. I haven't been doing an incline either as I don't want to hurt myself by overdoing it. I might even work up to a jog one day soon.

I am having mini carrots and a lowfat dip for a snack. It is 10:20 and it was just before 8:00 when I had the oatmeal. Then I will eat my soup just before I go to the gym.

Maple, enjoy your two months away for us too! I hope you are going somewhere warm at least.

Well I should at least make myself look busy this morning. It is really not that busy here and when that happens I can only invent so many things to do. They make up for it though! We do get really busy times too.

[Maple]

Just a quick post to let you know I'm still here. I do about the same speed as you both too; 3.5 - 3.8 but it's usually 3.5. I do use the incline though; 3.5 - 5.0. Once I get conditioned, I'll be doing intervals up to 10.0. It doesn't seem to hurt my back but when I'm finished my legs feel like wet noodles.

I've had a very tiring day today so I'm off to bed early tonight. I'll be more energetic tomorrow.................

Ta Ta girls

[Maple]

Nobody posting today? I'm reporting in for duty :bcbsalute so where are you guys?

I went to the first Christmas craft fair of the season and bought some very cute things. One was a cigar box evening bag which are all the rage. My husband didn't think much of it, but it's just a girl thing and he'd not understand. Later we had company over for tea and scones. THAT was dinner for me. Well almost..............later I had an apple and some low fat cheese to boost the nutrition of my odd dinner. Got my strength exercises in for the day but took a treadmill break as I've been run ragged for two days and I'm feeling very tired..............another early night for me for sure. Tomorrow I'll be :exercise2 with a smile on my face.

[Bailey's Mom]

Happy Friday Morning Ladies,

Well I had a great day off yesterday. DB and I slept in until 9:00 and then got up and rushed around to get ready to walk the dog up to the Remembrance Day ceremony. That was nice and then a walk home and we cleaned up around his place for a few hours. Then supper with his folks - oh and I kicked his butt at cribbage (doesn't happen often).

I need to be held accountable to journaling my points as I am not doing any good on my own. I am hoping that next week I see a shift in the scale (downwards!) as my TOM will be over, I will have been exercising for two weeks (that's gotta count) and I am trying to be more careful.

DB didn't take those chocolates to work yet and I got into them last night. And we had an ice cream treat after supper last night. At the rest of that chocolate cake with low-fat vanilla ice cream and a banana. It was good and I did only have a piece of grilled halibut and a green salad for dinner. Leftover lasagna for lunch with cut-up veggies and fruit. Fried egg sandwich for breakie.

So I am going to get my journal out and get counting my points. Even if I am honest and still go way over points this will give me an idea of where I can make some changes. Usually when I journal I quit doing it when I realize I am going OP.

I am going to the gym today to do my #2 strength-training for the week. Then I have to get two more 1/2 hour cardio sessions in. That will be easy though as I have to walk the dog on the weekend anyway.

DB may have to work all weekend as something came up at work, so I think I will do some low-fat baking (fat-free banana bread, 2 point muffins) and freeze a bunch of it so I have healthy snacks to grab rather than chocolate bars.

We were sitting outside for a bit yesterday and I had the front window open a crack and his cat was peeking out, so I opened the window (no screen on it) and brought her out and put her in my lap. She is strictly an inside cat and it was neat to watch her listening to every sound going. Especially the birds!!! She was very tense and nervous, but curious for sure.

Work is going to be really dead today so I will check back in.

I will have to look for the cigar box purses Maple - my boyfriend will just want to know if there is a cigar in it!! I haven't gone to any craft fairs yet.

[PattiG]

Sorry I've been AWOL the past couple of days, but I've sort of had a work crisis and I'm at my stress limit for dealing with anything or anyone else in life. Consider these options and how far at the end of opposite poles could they possibly be....either take a promotion or hand in a resignation? Can you imagine the weirdness in this? It's not all peaches and cream either. I may want to resign after I TAKE the promotion. This is such a convoluted situation I can't begin to explain it. I took yesterday off as a mental health day (I literally had a meltdown Thursday night). So Friday, I didn't get dressed until 1pm, went for a haircut and spontaneously decided to get a 30 minute massage afterwards, and came home and vegetated on the couch the rest of the day. I did nothing, I said nothing, I didn't move an single muscle fiber. ~sigh~ I'm better now but still can't make a decision. I may still be AWOL a few more days but bear with me....I'm trying to deal with something very difficult.

On the brighter side of life....I called my juncos are my weather vane. This morning we had SNOW!! And it's only Nov 13th! Not a lot of snow, just some flurries...but who would have thunk it? It's gonna be a cold winter my friends!.

I'll be back later this weekend (with any luck). Hope all is well.
Patti

[Maple]

Patti I'm sorry you've been having a hard time but happy to hear you did the right thing and took the day off and went for a massage. By the time you read this post I hope you are feeling better.

Charmaine, Charmaine, what are we to do with you? Cake, chocolates, ice cream, fried egg sandwich and lasagne? You're not going to be any too happy with the scales this week.............. So in a good spirited way I'm delivering to you the royal bootcamp KICK. Now get off the couch and do some REAL cardio :work_out: .............dog walking doesn't count because you cannot dog walk while maintaining a heart rate of 60% of your maximal heart rate. Dog walking is start, stop, start, stop, bend over, scoop poop, then back to start, stop...............etc. In order for any activity to count as a cardio workout you must maintain that 55% for no less than 20 minutes non-stop. On the other hand, dog walking is a great activity and does burn some calories and strengthen leg muscles.............I do that too but don't count it as cardio. In case you think I'm being a bit tough on you today; you ain't seen anything if SS Katie reads your post. :help: Better me than her pal. LOL

To Determine Your Target Heart Rate:

Subtract your age from 220
Multiply the result by the target range of 60 to 85%. The result will indicate your target range in beats per minute. If you are new to regular exercise, start in the 60-70% range.
Divide the beats per minute by six. The result will indicate your desired beats per ten seconds.
Example Calculation

220-43 (years) = 177

177 x 60% = 106.2 beats per min.

177 x 85% = 150.5 beats per min.

106.2 / 6 = 18 beats per 10 sec.

150.5 / 6 = 25 beats per 10 sec.

To accurately measure your heart rate, your pulse should be taken at your carotid artery (in your neck) or radial artery (at your wrist). Count the beats for ten seconds (starting with zero).

[PattiG]

Listen to Maple....You do NOT want the wrath of SS Katie on your head. :eek:

[Maple]

Sunday afternoon and all is well. I'm feeling tired and a bit out of sorts so I'm keeping my fingers crossed it will pass and not develop into anything. Guess all I can do is get lots of rest, drink lots of water (which I haven't been lately), take vitamin C and Echinacea and hope for the best. I took my rest day on Friday so I'm scheduled to do a treadmill today but I'm convincing myself to bag it for today. Right or wrong.......who knows.....it's probably that evil little couch potato in my head trying to take over again. Hmm, now there's an interesting thought...........maybe I'll rest now and do a short one today so the "e.c.p." doesn't win a round. My eating choices have been off lately too, so I'm raging a war with that too.

I have my grandson over but he's busy with my husband playing indoor golf so I have an opportunity to have a little lay down which I better get with before my free time runs out.

[Bailey's Mom]

Hi Patti and Maple,

Patti - sorry to hear that work is stressing you out. If you want a little advice, just do the best you can do. I have had very stressful times here at my job as well and the thing I try to remember is that either I stay and do the best job that I can - or try to make the situation better - or I leave. I have attempted to leave a few times, but in the end I realized that I do enjoy many things about my job here (mostly the pay, benefits, etc) and decided to make the best of it. I used to be a bit of a doormat, but I am not like that anymore and before things get to be too bad I let people know how I am feeling and that I won't take any crap. It seems to be working for me. We are here for you to vent to. I hope things work out well for you. Remember to do lots of deep breathing.

Maple - I know, I know I have been a bad girl and the scales are showing it this week. How come I could lose 30 pounds and do so well at the beginning but now I cannot? I went shopping on Friday and was trying on clothes (had to buy a nice pair of "fat jeans") and I was disgusted with how I have let myself go. But then we went out on Saturday night to a dinner and I had too many alcoholic beverages and then just nibbled and snacked too much. I did eat a lot of salads on the weekend and did everything else right.

I have never counted my heartrate before, but will do so this week. I will print out the calculations you gave me. You are right about the dog walking. But it will count if I walk up Mill Hill with her as she is not on the leash and that is huffing and puffing all the way up. Although I still haven't drug my butt up there yet.

I don't even sweat when I do my cardio at the gym. And I am working hard, I think. I have never been a sweater so maybe I resist it?

Lots of flus and colds going around right now, make sure you are washing your hands LOTS. That is my thing this year and of course taking my vitamins everyday. Usually I get sick once a week with everything flying around, but (knock on wood) I have been good this year.

Well I need to get to work. My big boss won't be in today or maybe the rest of the week as he had an incident while hanging Christmas lights. Silly guy.

Ciao!

[Maple]

OK girls I propose this to be an official

No Cheat Week

Are you in?

[PattiG]

I'm in.

And now I'm going to bed. I'm exhausted and emotionally drained. And after having all out war with my boss today...I have decided to remain at this job until I actually have another lined up. Hopefully that will be as soon as possible.

[Maple]

E-gad Patti this sounds serious. What's going on? I'm bagged tonight too and am going to get to bed early myself so I won't be logged on much longer.........you'll be in bed now having a nice :sleep:
At least I hope you are and aren't laying awake worrying.

So Charmaine, are you "In" too? We really have to get ourselves back on track or else suffer the consequences. I'm not very happy with how my weight has done lately either but I've figured out what I've been doing (DUH) and am in the process of correcting it. I've been feeling tired lately and have missed two treadmill sessions. The problem? SUGAR! Got to lay off that and other refined carbs because they drain my energy big time.

I did some Christmas shopping today for three nursing home ladies who don't have anyone that visits them therefore, they don't receive Christmas gifts. I find this situation extremely sad. How could their lives come to this? I realize some of them have outlived their family and friends, but there must be someone somewhere that knows the situation. Guess that's me and others like me huh? There are some that have been abandoned by their family too. This causes me unbearable pain to think such people exist that would "throw away" their frail and elderly relatives. I've often heard, "They don't know me anymore." or "The can't talk anymore." I could give them a shake! What on earth is wrong with people like that? Just go and hold their hand or read out loud or listen to music with them........................

That's enough venting on that subject. I guess my shopping expedition brought up a lot of emotion and I just had to let off steam tonight.

I'm off to lalaland now...................... :sleep:

[Bailey's Mom]

Geez you two, this is definitely what accountability is all about. OK, I'm in!!! Does that mean I have to starve by staying OP? ha ha I am definitely cutting out all sweets and that starts with having to say no to chocolate cake today. It is my coworker's birthday and my other coworker made my famous chocolate cake recipe and turned it into a Black Forest Cake with cherry pie filling and such. I have had so much of it lately (again on the weekend) that I don't need to try it as I know exactly what it tastes like -- HEAVEN. ha ha

I am having a very bad vertigo spell at the moment (have been plagued with this condition since the beginning of the year) and I may just have to go home early. But the big question is, how do I get home? Thank goodness I am not driving, but I take the bus and I can barely walk!!! I could phone my Nanny to come and get me, but I hate bugging her.

Maple - I know exactly what you are talking about with the old people in the homes. My Nanny worked in the Priory out in Langford for years (until she had an injury and had to retire) and I remember going in to see her after school when I was a kid and I would sit and visit with all the old folks. They were always so happy to see young people. My Aunt even took my cousin (who is now 20 ) in there all the time when she was just a baby/toddler and they just loved her! I quit my other commitment last night and maybe that is something I should do, go and sit and visit some old people and read to them. I remember one lady who would yell and scream in her room and when I asked my Nanny what was wrong with her (all the other old folks were so pleasant and docile) and she said she was an alcoholic. For the longest time I would think about that and I was quite confused because I considered an alcoholic someone sitting in a bar, I never thought about them having that disease when they were old. Quite sad actually. Those ladies are lucky to have you Maple.

Patti - Good for you deciding to stay there until you find something else. Honesty is the best policy. If they are being jerks, don't lower yourself to their level. Take the job they are making you take and then look for something else. I am not sure what the laws are like in the States, but can they fire you for looking for another job while you are employed with them? As long as you are doing your best, there should be no reason to be fired. Doesn't sound like a good environment. Try not to stress eat!

Well I had bran cereal for breakie, an orange, stew for lunch and then tonight I am having chicken that I am marinating in teriyaki sauce with steamed veggies (rice for DB), so that should keep me OP. And then I have a massage appointment tonight (good timing with my stupid vertigo flaring up) and I won't snack on anything but fruit or veggies. NO CHEATING!

I will check in on you two tomorrow. Now raining and blustery in beautiful Victoria.

Charmaine