OP & TTC 11/9-11/15

[DuneRaiderette]

hey buddies! ill start this week...with good news! i got my midterm back, and i ACED it!!! we had to turn in three essays, each was worth 10 points, and on two i got 10 out of 10, and on the 3rd, i got 9 out of 10!!! oh, yeah!!! and i didnt think i did all that well...just goes to show you. i started my baby blanket finally! it is so cute!(well, the inch i have done so far...) i went to a play with my brother last night. it was fun! i got all dressed up (a rare occurence!!!!), with heels and everything! it was too much fun. i think im getting a cold. my throat is starting to hurt. graemlins/ugh.gif there were coyotes outside our house this morning, yipping and howling. it was kinda cool. auntie is feeling better again, she was sitting up this morning, and asking for knitting, so that is a good sign. dh might be applying for a job with union pacific railroad. his dad, uncles and grandpa all work for (or did work for) the railroad. if he does, we will never have money problems again. hopefully. ;) well, i gotta go sort laundry. its laundry day!!! yick. take it easy buddies! baby dust!

[shellys]

Hey becki!! Oh thats great news about your Aunt!! graemlins/thumbup.gif Congrats on your test graemlins/bcbsalute.gif !! I hope your DH gets the job!!

[jenn42302]

Becki ~ That is SO awesome about your aunt...and DH's potential job...and your midterms...and your baby blanket!!! graemlins/thumbup.gif for starting the week off on a positive note!!!!!

A quick check-in here. My new person starts today, so I may not be around much here today. But she is really great and I hope all works out.

O and babydust to all!!! graemlins/wave.gif to everyone and let's have a great week!!

jenn smile.gif

[calgal]

Good morning, ladies. Well, it's the start of another week, and by golly, I'm gonna take a cue from the good vibes on this board and be in a good mood. smile.gif Did not much of anything this weekend, which felt great. Nothing at all to report on the TTC front - still waiting to see whether AF will show over the next few days (today is cd27).

Dune - way to go on the test! Glad to hear your aunt is doing better.

Jenn - glad your new person starts. Will that ease your workload, at least in the long run?

Everyone else: graemlins/wave.gif Have a great day!

[elmirady]

Good morning ladies. Not much new going on here. I've managed to rip off my big toe's toenail yesterday morning. Well, it's not all the way off, but it will be...right now I have it bandaided to my toe. Let me just tell you how much that hurt!!!! Had my parents over yesterday for dinner and thoroughly enjoyed having them. It was very nice and relaxing and we just enjoyed having them over. They only live 12 miles away, but with winter coming up, they only ever get out to my house on January 1st cuz that's my turn for the family dinner! Managed to fit in BDing, but then DH turned into an idiot last night so that kind of negated all the warm fuzzies we had working for us. Ooops, who said we were gonna start this week off on a positive note? I'm feeling a wee bit negative this morning, sorry!Although, I do feel like the BDing was timed right so hey that's positive! I better sign off before my yucky mood drips into this thread!

Baby and "O" Dust to all! I'll be back after my coffee and my attitude adjustment break!

[MrsA925]

Becki- Great news about your Aunt! And good job on the mid term. I have a final Dec. 1 or 8th (can't remember but I am nervous) it is my last class for my BA (except a stupid Spanish class at the community college). And I hope you start feeling better.

Shelly- How are things? I wish we could all join you on the preggo thread!!

Jenn- Good luck with the new employee. My boss is out today so I will have fun smile.gif

Calgirl- When did you o? Thanks for the happy vibes :cool:

Elmirady- Sorry your DH was a dork. Sounds like you had fun with your mom and dad. DH and did the same thing yesterday. My dad left for Alaska this morning so it was nice to see him before he left.

Well I am 7dpo now and not really feeling anything different from other cycles. I think I will start testing at 10 dpo because I am a freak!! and I have a ton of cheapy tests. I don't know maybe I will wait... ughh

Hi everyone!!

Ginny

[aprilk]

Good morning all. Snowy, but warmer day here, so I'm a happy camper. I had a bit of a dip in my chart on Saturday (5 dpo), but I'm trying to stay sane about it. I've also had weird back-cramp pains on my lower right, but I think it may have been from my cleaning frenzy this weekend. The apartment is all ready for our holiday company. :D

Dune~Congrats on the essay! And I'm so glad to hear your auntie is feeling better.

Shellys~How are you feeling?

Jenn~Glad to hear your new person is starting. Hopefully it will lessen your workload.

Calgal~Fingers & toes crossed for you.

Elmirady~Ouch, poor toenail! Sounds like you had a nice visit with your parents. Hope you caught that eggie.

Ginny~Congrats on almost finishing your BA. Fingers & toes crossed for you as well.

June, Fiona, Surfergirl~How are you doing?

April smile.gif

[shellys]

Jenn- Oh Im so glad your new Girl is starting-I hope that gives us more time with you!!(Ok so Im selfish!)

Elmirady-sorry about your big toe-Ive done it before so I know the Pain it invloves! Ouch! I hope it heals quickly.
I love spending nice times with my parents-its such a good feeling

calgal- sounds like you are off to a great week!!!

Ginny-Good Luck this cycle!! I started testing early too but didnt get a + until I was I think 15 dpo!

April- Maybe your cramp was more than just "working too hard!" I hope so !!


This weekend was a crazy one for us!! I had 3 of my cousins staying with us for a surprise 80th birthday for their Grandfather(I had to hide them w/ me!) WE were all very close growing up but now they have all moved across the country so this was the first time in many yrs we got to see all 3 of them!! They had me so run down. Friday we did the city trip and walked for 5 hrs, My cousin who was my maid of honor(best friend and cousin we are only 11 months apart) took me to a spa in the city and they cut my hair!I never let anyone different cut my hair -Im funny about it! The man cut my bangs so short that I look like the Dutchboy paint kid on those paint cans!!! graemlins/sobbing.gif Im hoping it grows back for the holidays!! Nothing else new here just enjoying the "quiet". Im going tom. for an important screening for the baby to see if he/she is ok genetically.

[tringinjune]

Hello everyone. Boy am I glad this week's thread was started off with a positive tone - I'm in such a grumpy mood myself... We just found out this weekend that one of our acquaintances (sp?) are having a baby. It seems everywhere I look there are pregnant people/babies (books, movies, TV-series, people I know etc). I felt so sorry for myself this weekend, for not being pregnant. AND I was also thinking that if we got pregnant in the next few months people will think we are "just doing what others are doing" (i.e. that people will think we just decided to have a baby because people we know did!!!). Talk about childish reasoning, but that is what I'm feeling.... OK - enough of my sorry self.

On a good note, I'm finally getting used to and actually liking green tea!

Dune - wow! Congratulations on acing your tests/midterm! And I am hoping DH gets the job, what wonderful news that would be. Your aunt is still in my thoughts.

Calgal - here's to hoping AF will skip ypur house!

Elmirady - ouch! Your toenail is painful I'm sure! Do you think you O'd on cd19?

Ginny - I'm hoping your final will go well too when it comes up. And that the Spanish class is a breeze. I'm also hoping this cycle will bring good news to you, how nice that O finally happened, it seems pretty clear on the chart, hopefully the temps will stay up.

Jenn - I see you're on a new cycle as well, hopefully AF will leave soon. How was the first day with the new employee?

Shellys - I so can relae to the short bangs issue, it feels odd when that happens. Hopefully your hair will grow back quickly and also you'll get used to the new look.

Everyone else - hi how are you?!

Babydust,
June
http://circles2.fertilityfriend.com/home/27e69

[ November 10, 2003, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: tringinjune ]

[Fiona]

Hi everyone

Gesh where has the day gone. Well it was a short morning (I had to take a super early lunch) and now the afternoon is dragging by. I can't wait till hometime tonight. I just want to lie down and go to sleep.

Its a chilly day here today and that really doesn't do anything for my mood, but I have to admit that it is a lot better than it was last week. AF flew in and out quickly like she usually does so I didn't have to put up with her hanging around bugging me. Plus I had a good chat with my MIL yesterday. She said how disappointed she was for me this month and that she knows it will happen for us one day. And she also told me that she just can't be happy for my SIL (her daughter) because all she can think about is what an awful life the baby will have. I am really feeling for my MIL at the moment as she is really torn.

So I am back on my clomid and waiting for the 18th. I have an ultrasound scheduled for that day and then hopefully our second and last IUI then. Then the waiting begins again. Like I said friday we always seem to be waiting for something. And it is now driving me nuts.

Becki: Way to go on your great grades. Bet you are happy with those. Glad to hear your aunt is feeling somewhat better and that things might be looking up for your DH on the job front.

Jenn: Up and about early. How do you do it? Hope that having an additional body around the office eases some of your burdens and allows you to relax some.

Calgal: Here is hoping that the ole witch doesn't find you this month.

Elmira: Glad to hear that you had a good visit with your parents. And ouch about the toe. I can only imagine how painful that is for you. I hope it heals up. And boo to DH for making you upset. Hope things are better today.

Ginny: Good luck on your final. I am sure you will do fine. What are you majoring in?

April:Want to come do a cleaning frenzy at my place. That is one of my chores tonight. We did get the windows plasticised yesterday and I washed and fixed the curtains, but I still need to dust and vacuum and then unbury the study. Its a neverending task.

Shelly: It sounds like you had a great weekend. Oh and I am so with you about people cutting my hair. I get the standard cut every time - 1-2inches off the bottom. They can't really muck that up with long straight hair.

June: I understand how you feel about people getting pregnant and feeling bad that you aren't. That pretty much summed up my week last week. And trust me it su cks. I am trying to work out how to get through a family thanksgiving without having to hear about my SIL being pregnant. DH has told me that it will be ok for me to get up and leave if that sort of conversation starts. But I am also at the point now for me where I feel it was a blessing that I didn't have to announce that I was pregnant the day after she did. Because for everyone my news would be happy news but they still don't know how to handle the rest. Just spend time thing and even talking to your DH or anyone you can about how you feel. It doesn't go away overnight but you will find a way to be happy. And no one will ever think that you are getting pregnant just because they are. Or so my mum keeps telling me and I have to beleive her. ((((HUGS)))).

HI to anyone I missed. Hope you have a great day.

Fiona smile.gif

[SurferGirl]

Hey there! I'm finally getting over my illness. I got 24 hours of sleep this weekend, but still managed to make it outside to see my horse. He's a thoroughbred, almost black in color, and tall! 16 hands!

I've also started temping. I photocopied some charts from TCOYF and have them in the bedroom. I don't know where else to put them, but I'd like to have them elsewhere so that we aren't looking at them all the time. Even though we aren't going to be really TTC for another month or two I fee like I'll be putting pressure on myself by seeing them every day. Anyone else feel that way? Plus my in laws are coming for Thanksgiving and I really don't want them seeing them. It will just heap the pressure on. We aren't going to be telling our families anything until we've concieved.

Does anyone have a recipie for French Silk pie? I'm thinking that might make a good dessert if I can find a low-fat version.

Well, my DH is here and ready to leave so I must cut this short. I'll do mucho personals tomorrow.

[jenn42302]

Hi girls,

I finally got a chance to get back here and write! I was able to pop in and read, but no time to write. So here I am!!

The new employee is great. She managed to totally rearrange the office I used to be in, in such a way that I am TOTALLY jealous!! It looks awesome. She's getting nice and settled in and hopefully will be able to reduce the workload AND my stress!!!

Speaking of stress, a friend on mine (the professor I subbed for last semester) stopped by to see me today. She asks, every time I see her, "Are you pregnant yet??" I wish I never told her!! (I've told very few people, and this is why!) Last month, when I first told her, she was like, oh it will happen for you right away! But today when I said I was definitely NOT pg right now (having AF and all) she's like, oh you've been at this for a while, maybe you should go to the doctor to get checked out! GRRRRRR :mad: I don't need people to say out loud all the crap that's in my head and adding to my TTC stress!!! She is a totally sweet person, so I know she meant no harm, but I do NOT need additional reasons to stress, which probably is the cause of the TTC issues anyway!!!

AF is still here, Fiona, I don't know how you do it, she came to you AFTER she came to me, but she's left you and is STILL with me!!! What, do I make it too nice for her to leave??? And so nice that she keeps coming back?? Well, that's it, YOU'RE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE, AF. And that's just not for me. I MEAN FOR ALL OF US!!!! tongue.gif

SurferGirl ~ I'm happy your feeling better and got to go riding. And you are SO right not telling people until you conceive (see my rant above!!)

Fiona ~ The only reason I post at such a ridiculous hour is that's when I got up and I put my temp in right away at FF so I don't forget!! Hopefully with the new designer, I can stop going in so early and get back to normal (and posting while I'm at work like I'm supposed to ;)

June ~ OMG, I am so totally with you on the everyone is pregnant page. Everywhere I turn, people I know, things I read, even TV shows, pregnancy and babies. Seems like cruel teasing to me. And I've felt the same "bandwagon baby theory" feeling too. But I don't care -- bring on the babies!!!!

shelly ~ I'm sure you don't look like the dutch boy from the paint cans!!!! The bangs will grow back soon!!! I'm sorry about that though, I totally hate when hairdressers do their own thing. But I am happy you had such a great time with your family. Did you tell anyone yet?? Oh, and I think this new girl will help reduce my workload, so more time for posting -- be careful what you wish for ;) I just hope I can start posting on the preggie thread!!!! How are you feeling??

April ~ Hope that was an implantation dip!!! Babydust to you!!!! And, you wanna come clean my house????

Hola Ginny, como estas? (that's about all I remember after 5+ years of spanish!!) Good luck on your midterm. And another testing freak!!! A soul sister I have!!!! I got to get me some more cheap tests so I too can test early and often!!! I hope you don't have to test too often before you get your BFP!!!

Dyann ~ Here's a big ol' graemlins/bcbkick.gif in your DHs butt for being a poop-head. You usually are the happy one here!!! If it's any consolation, my DH was driving me nuts last night too. Ahhh, men, can't live with 'em, can't make babies without 'em!! :D Hope your toenail is OK, ick!

calgal ~ TONS of babydust to you. You look like you've got a good shot this month!!!

Hi to everyone else graemlins/wave.gif O and babydust to all!!

jenn smile.gif

[calgal]

Good morning, ladies! Another nice fall day here, so I'm gonna try to keep those positive vibes coming. Still in 2ww. Work has slowed down a bit, which is nice - I get to go home at a normal hour, relax at home with hubby, and get into bed nice and early so we're not completely zonked and can get in some practice. ;) And that's about all that's going on, which is a nice change from the hectic pace of last month.

Ok - at the risk of jinxing myself, I'm going to edit my post to beg for good vibes and baby dust. I'm on cd 28, and my temps are still high - higher today than yesterday, in fact, by a good .5 degrees or so (I did have to get out of bed to get the thermometer, but when I've had to do that in the past, it hasn't substantially affected my temps). Because of the traveling and illness, I have no idea whether bd was well-timed this month, but I'm really, really, really hoping. Any baby dust you can spare would be greatly appreciated. (I did test on Sunday and it was a BFN, but I'm hoping it was just too early to tell at cd26.)

Jenn - so glad your new person is getting going. Sorry about the insensitive comment by your friend - if only people would stop thinking getting pg is like falling off a turnip truck. (Well, maybe it is for like the 3 or 4 people we each seem to know who have no stress at all in their lives and therefore have all the time and opportunity in the world to relax and bd...let me stop before I get too bitter. smile.gif )

Fiona - that's so nice that you have such a supportive MIL. I have my fingers crossed for a productive month for you.

SurferGirl - welcome back to the board! Your illness sounds awful, but the horse sounds great, so on balance, sounds like you're doing graemlins/thumbup.gif

June - I also have been hearing far too much about so-and-so expecting a child, and so-and-so just had their 2d, etc. I WANT ONE! (There. I've had my temper tantrum du jour.) Hang in there.

April - here's hope that was an implantation dip...

Ginny - exams, eh? You'll do just fine, I'm sure. As for when I O'd, I have absolutely no idea - I was traveling and sick around that time frame, so my temps were all over the place. (They're still high, so I'm holding out a tiny little bit of hope for this month.)

Elmirady - sorry your DH turned evil on ya. At least it was AFTER the bd and not before. smile.gif

Shelly - I'm sure the hair can't be THAT bad - I've had those experiences, too - I have totally straight, dark brown hair - once I came out of the salon looking like Cleopatra - the bangs were too short and cut absolutely straight across. Thankfully, they grow out enough in a week or so that it's not totally embarassing.

Have a great day, ladies!

[ November 11, 2003, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: calgal ]

[Fiona]

Morning everyone

Hope you all had a good evening last night. For a change mine was relatively uneventful and I like it like that. I really could do with a few more days like that this coming month. I am now in countdown phase until my ultrasound next tuesday.

Jenn: So sorry that AF is hanging around like an unwelcomed visitor (wait though - she is an unwelcome visitor). I have honestly asked my doctors if her staying such a short time is a problem and they all keep telling me that I should count my blessings that she doesn't hang around. Another benefit is that I am not spending a fortune on sanitary products. Actually I am still using the supplies that I brought with me from Australia two and a half years ago. I hope though that she heeds your warning and does stay away from all of us. Also I am glad that the new person is working out for you and that you might get to sleep in.

Calgal: You can have all of my baby dust on loan until next week. Then I might want to grab some of it back. Fingers crossed that you get a result you desire. Have you thought about testing yet?

Surfergirl: Glad to hear that you are finally feeling better. Have you thought about charting at fertility friend.com. Its free and online so you can print it out and all. And then you don't really have to look at it all the time and your inlaws can't see it. Also I know my FIL has a recipe for french silk pie but it won't be low fat. Nothing he makes is.

Hi to everyone else. Hope you have a wonderful day.

Fiona smile.gif

[elmirady]

Good morning ladies! I am in a much better mood today! DH actually called me to apologize for being a "Dork@ss" (that's my new nickname for him!) So all is again calm in my household. Had Taekwondo last night and I asked the instructor first what we were going to be doing and she said we were going to be kicking targets but now we're gonna switch because of your toe. So get this, we do THROWS! Yep, I got thrown about 15-20 times and I got to throw everyone else too! It was a lot of fun, and never in my wildest dreams could I have seen myself being thrown without being immediately put in an ambulance afterwards...But suprisingly only my butt is sore! LOL :rolleyes: Oh yeah, FF gave me a O of CD19 and if ya look at my chart, it looks like we at least BD'd around the right time! So now I'm in the 2ww!

Calgal - Maybe we'll graduate to the preggie thread together this month! Baby dust!!!!!! When will you test again?

Jenn - Glad to hear the new employee is working out well! That should help! It's funny, I have people at work who obviously know I had a m/c a year ago who are like aren't you pregnant yet? All I do is roll my eyes and say it's not for lack of trying! ;)

Fiona - I/m sure your bangs look just fine! It's just a wee bit of a change for you is all. I just recently had my bangs cut back in, and they are annoying me currently. I need to get my hair cut, highlighted, and colored like NOW cuz my roots (and grays) are coming in full force!

Surfergirl - Glad you're feeling better. Your horse sounds wonderful! I once rode a horse with my DH and my horse laid right down on his stomach! Talk about wierd and scary. The guide said the horse must have had a fly or bee biting his belly. I jumped off and got right back on him though I've not been on one since!

June - I like green tea and have just tried black chai tea and that was good too! I have a block when it comes to tea because my mother used to give it to us when we were sick so that's what I associate it with.

April - So when can you test? Any symptoms?

Ginny - So when are you testing? I'm a testing freak myself, but I am out of them so I'll have to go stock myself up! My sister thinks she found some at the dollar store of all places...I wonder how accurate they are!

Becki - How is your Aunt feeling these days? How are you doing? I am sure you're very busy as usual!

Shellys - How are you feeling? Any symptoms? I can't wait til we can join ya over on the preggie thread! There's a few of us that look promising!

Well, gotta run after this mini-novel! Baby and "O" dust to all!

[ November 11, 2003, 08:35 AM: Message edited by: elmirady ]

[aprilk]

Hi everyone. I'm almost scared to write this since I don't want to jinx myself, but so far, no sore bb's. I always get them the week prior to af's arrival. I figured the earliest I could test would be this weekend, so I'm trying to not freak myself out. graemlins/crazy.gif

Shellys~I'm sure your bangs will grow back quickly. I have naturally curly hair which shrinks when it dries, so I'm always getting too short of bangs.

June~I know what you mean about everybody around you being pregnant. My cousin is due in May, so I feel a little like if I am all of the relatives will think I was copying her. But after all this time, I'd be happy to copy anyone. :D

Fiona~Glad af left so quickly. I hope the week flys by for you.

Surfergirl~Your horse sounds beautiful. I've actually only ridden a horse once (which is surprising since I've lived in Montana and Wyoming). Dh & I haven't told either of our parents we've been ttc. He's an only child, so I REALLY didn't want any pressure from his folks for grandkids.

Jenn~I'm glad your new employee has been so much help. Isn't it frustrating when people make those kind of comments? I've had more than a couple of the ladies in our office tell me I'd better hurry up and have kids since I wasn't getting any younger. :mad: As if I didn't know that! I know they don't mean anything, especially since they don't know we're ttc, but it's still frustrating.

Calgal~Enjoy the practice. Many good vibes & baby dust your way! I hope this is your month.

Elmirady~Throws? Yikes! You lead a much more exciting and exotic life than I do. ;)

Baby dust & O dust!

[MrsA925]

I don't have a lot of time today. Everyone is out sick here...

I am now 8dpo and my temps went UP again!!!! I tested yesterday (ok I told DH I was practicing smile.gif I of course will test again all the time until it is BFP or AF comes.

Fiona- I am a psychology major. Although my career has nothing to do with it smile.gif It is a long story I will share later...

Jenn- Sorry about AF staying so long and for the dumb comments!!

April- GOOD luck!! You chart looks good!

Elmirady- Good luck. It looks like you timed things Great!!

SurferGirl- I am glad you are feeling better. As for the charts I just write my temp on a sheet of paper and put it on a chart later. That might be better for you. You could keep the bbt and pen/paper by your bed but the chart in another room...

UGH phone is ringing..

Ginny (the FREAK tester smile.gif

[calgal]

Good morning, ladies,

I'll start off the day with a very short pity party for myself - yep, temps dropped like a stone this morning, and AF is starting to show. Boo hoo! graemlins/sobbing.gif And I'm going out of town (again) today, but just for one night. I'm telling you, I'm not that patient a person to begin with, and this constant waiting is driving me nuts. I really do have to relax, which means finding time to exercise, too. (Small growl.)

I have to leave mid-day for my trip, so no time for personals this a.m. Thanks to everyone for the good vibes and loaners of baby dust.

[elmirady]

Good morning ladies! I'm still a wee bit sore from doing throws and being thrown in Taekwondo class, but it's better than yesterday!

Calgal - Sorry the ole witch is coming for a visit. Kick her out real quick (like Fiona) so you can start the new cycle!

Jenn/Fiona - How are you guys doing? I just heard on the radio that we are forcasted for 2-6 inches of SNOW tomorrow with winds up to 55 miles per hour! Do you guys have the same forcast? YIKES :eek: It's way too early if you ask me!

June/Becki/Ginny - Hope you are all well.

Well, ladies, if you wouldn't mind, could you take a look at my chart and tell me what you think? I think it looks promising, but this is my first month charting so I'm not really sure! Thanks you gals are the best!

Baby and "O" Dust to all and a big hello to anyone I missed! Have a great day! ~Dyann~

[ November 12, 2003, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: elmirady ]

[MrsA925]

I am at 9dpo temps still up.. check them out if you are as obsessed as I am smile.gif

Elmirady- Everything looks great on your chart smile.gif

Calgirl- Sorry about AF!!

How is everyone doing? I am sleepy. Last night at 4am there was an explosion/car accident/or strange alien landing outside my house. It scared me and woke up my DH. I didn't go back to sleep for about an hour...

I went to meet with my professor about my research paper and the campus doors were locked and I couldn't get her on the phone. UGHH I even took off work early. I couldn't believe it. I am trying to go see her today which means skipping our staff meeting...

Of course I have been testing since 7dpo which is like peeing money down the drain but I don't care since I used cheapy tests...

Ginny

[Fiona]

Morning All

At least it is a nice morning here today, although the forecast for the rest of the week looks less than promising. Good weather to stay indoors so it might mean that I get to the gym over the weekend. I probably will want to escape the house anyway (part of my keeping calm and stress free).

Nothing to report. Just still counting down the days to the ultrasound next week.

Dyann: Sounds like you like your class. And snow - well they are talking lake effect but so far haven't come in with any measurements. But they are forecasting it for late thursday through Saturday. But I don't want snow yet. Although that might explain why the street cleaners are out today. graemlins/ugh.gif

April: How are you going? Are you planning on testing soon?


Ginny: Don't tell me we have another freak tester. I though that was Jenn and Dyann's jobs. The test freaks. Oh well. I hope that all that practicing pays off.

Calgal: Sorry that the witch showed. Can't she tell she isn't welcome. And as for being more patient. Well I have decided that it is an art form.

Hi to everyone else. Hope your day is a great one.

Fiona smile.gif

[elmirady]

Ok ladies...I just got a phone call from my sister who went to the dollar store for me and low and behold, they had pregnancy tests for a buck each! I am in testing heaven again!

[jenn42302]

Good morning girls!

Tests for a dollar!!!! Let me buy them all up and I'll start testing today!!! LOL

Nothing really to report here. AF is slowly exiting. She doesn't really leave a lot of time in between her exit and BDing, and I'm weird about that and like to have some time in between (don't make me explain why, that's TMI!!)

I LOVE my new designer. She's super creative, and SUPER ORGANIZED, which let me tell you, are usually 2 traits that SO do not go together!!! My department is going to be killer!!

There are those snow reports here, too, though today it's supposed to get up to 60!! Tomorrow and Friday, 50+ mph winds and a couple of inches of snow (but in the lake effect bands south of Buffalo in ski country they are forecasting 6-12 inches :eek: ) Hopefully by the time I go to the (stupid!!) Bills game on Sunday the snow will be gone with highs being in the upper 40s. And of course I have a ton of driving to do tomorrow. I have an all-day workshop that's on our waterfront (so I can watch the waves fly up over the shoreline at 50 mph), drive on the Skyway (in 50mph winds) to get there, and then have to drive across town after the conference to take someone's photo, AND THEN drive 25 minutes up north to go home!!! Say a prayer that I get home in one piece with all this driving on the first snow event of the year!

Fiona ~ Hope you get to relax!! And I'll try to keep some of that snow from you!

Ginny ~ Your temps are looking good my fellow testing freak! graemlins/thumbup.gif

Dyann ~ Thanks for the tip on the cheap HPTs. Your chart looks good so far!! And, your forecast for Rochester sounds a lot like ours in Buffalo. :rolleyes:

calgal ~ I'm sorry the ol' witch showed. Here's a big ol' graemlins/bcbkick.gif so she gets outta town quick. I'm so NOT a patient person either, so I feel your pain. Hopefully, none of us will have to be patient much longer.

June/Becki/SurferGirl ~ graemlins/wave.gif

Take care everyone!! O and babydust to all!!!

jenn smile.gif

[tringinjune]

Thank you all for your wonderful support, it is so wonderful to have you guys to talk to! I feel so much better talking to you.

DH and I also discussed our feelings about not getting pregnant as easily as we'd hoped, I guess I've not talked about it enought with him. And after all it's just as important to him (I tend to forget that with all this charitng &c). Fiona, thank you for reminding me to talk to him too!

I'm on cd10, waiting for O any day now (although the saliva microscope doesn't quite agree - but I guess that can be fairly uncertain anyway). I am determined not to obsess about my chart during the 2ww - please remind me of that in a few days! ;)

Fiona - I'm hoping that time flies by for you, so that the 18th will be here soon. I so do know how annoying all this waiting is, it's all we seem to be doing, isn't it?! BTW, did you get your house-cleaning done? You mentioned having your windows plasticised, I don't understand that one - can you please explain it? I keep imagining covering your windows in large white sheets of plastic, and that can't be it! LOL

SurferGirl - I hope you are well now, and maybe had a chance to ride your horse. I also use teh charts from TCOYF, I have them in a pretty binder (with a matching pen) in a drawer in my nightstand so that they aren't the first thing I see all the time. I'm always careful to put the binder away, I wouldn't want anyone seeing it.

Jenn - it seems as if things with the new employee is working out nicely. I do agree that all the well-meaning comments about babies/pregnancy are starting to get to one, I am so happy only one couple (best friends) - and you guys - know about our TTC. And since they had problems getting pregnant, she doesn't ask. But even all the "friendly enquiries" are so annoying, it's not as if we need to be reminded of this! Your comment "men, can't live with 'em, can't make babies without 'em" had me laughing out loud - just what I needed being all stressed out! :) Sorry to hear AF stays with you for a long time, I am fortunate to have her only for about 3 days (cheaper too). But I've also been worried that it would mean my lining is too thin. I guess there's always a drawback with everything. Hopefully the weather and traffic aren't too bad for you tomorrow with all that driving.

Calgal - I'm sorry to hear your temps dropping / af threatening to show. Hopefully your work will continue at a reasonable pace, so that the next cycle (if af started by now) is more calm for you. I was in court all day yesterday, so today was hectic returning calls and wrapping up the paperwork for yesterday's case. The rest of the week seems fairly easy for me, I moved around some appointments just to clear the "O-week" as far ar possible, fortunately I had some plausible excuse. It would have been "interesting" to say, 'sorry, we have to re-schedule because I might be ovulating that day' though! :-D

Talking about haircuts, Calgal, your comment could have been made by me: "I have totally straight, dark brown hair - once I came out of the salon looking like Cleopatra - the bangs were too short and cut absolutely straight across" - been there, done that. As you say, fortunately the bangs seem to grow quickly. Conferssion-time: I have actually not found a hairdresser that leaves my bangs at a length I'm comfprtable with, so I don't let them cut my bangs - I do it myself. This way I can make sure they are not too short, and cut them often enough for not being to long/un-tidy (hmmm.. is that a word?)

April - hoping this cycle will turn out great for you.

Elmirady - your chart does look good so far. I bet you are wishing it would be a few days later already so you'd see what those temperatures are doing?! Hopefully this will be your first and last chart for at least 9 (10) months. I've heard about the dollar store tests, and from what I've read they are supposed to be pretty good tests too, I wish we had dollar stores here...

Ginny - your chart is looking good too. I have to confess I'm starting to obsess not only over my chart, but all of yours here as well... "Alien landing outside your house" LOL :) what a great explanation!

I'm off to watcth some TV (or check out the chart gallery at FF...)

Babydust,
June
http://circles2.fertilityfriend.com/home/27e69

[DuneRaiderette]

hi all. im here, still sick-ish with my "cold," still studying my booty off (thank goodness, big booties run in my family, even on the skinny-minnies!). my voice keeps drifting in and out, so luckily you guys cant hear me talk. lol.
auntie went home tuesday, eating tuna sammiches, egg salad sammieches, and they stopped at taco bell on the way home, so she is feeling MUCH better. thanks for your thought/prayers! i cant go see her though, cuz im sick. i have to start on my english project--a literary critique on "LOVE MEDICINE" by louise erdrich. anyone read it??? or anything else by her? i am really enjoying the book, though it can be a little confusing. ok, well, i gotta go do homework. (do you all hate me for not doing personals more often??? i hope you dont, its just everytime i try to do them, i wind up losing the post, so it turns into a major project. i AM thinking of all of you thought!!!)
baby dust!

[jenn42302]

Hi girls,

Just a quick check in before I start my day. AF is finally gone!!! CD7, isn't she a treat? Anyway, soon to begin the BDfest, early (in the cycle) and often!!

The weather here is WILD!! The winds are as bad as they say, hopefully all my fall decorations haven't blown away yet! I can't WAIT to drive on the skyway this morning. At least is hasn't started snowing yet :rolleyes:

Well, gotta go check the TV's weather forecast and get outta here. Wish me luck that I don't blow away!!

O and babydust to all!!!! Hope you all have a great Thursday!!!

jenn smile.gif

[MrsA925]

Temps fell big time today.. makes me want to believe in the implantation dip smile.gif

I have DH UR appt to go today so I will be gone this afternoon.

I hope everyone has a great day

Ginny

[elmirady]

Good morning ladies! AUNTY EM AUNTY EM! Man is it windy and blustery and yep even started to snow around here right now! I'm sitting in my office listening to the wind whip through the building...hoping the power doesn't go out because we have a full house of people today! DD doesn't have school today due to the weather. Well, my temp today stayed above the coverline still so.....Fertility Friend suggests testing November 18th! Duh, like they don't know who I am do they, the testing queen and with 5 $1 HPTs from the dollar store, I think I'll start this weekend since AF is due Sunday.

Jenn - I hope the drive was ok...it was a bit hairy there for me on one overpass, but I drive a little Saturn that gets blown anyway! Hope you made it safely! They say around here the snowfall will be between 11 and 3pm like they're ever right!

Fiona - How are you today? I'm sure you have the same weather Jenn and I have today!

Dune - We don't hate ya for no personals! We all just do them when we can too! You are always a bundle of energy! I hope your cold leaves you soon! Great news about your Aunt!

MrsA925 - My fingers are crossed for you!

June - I hope you catch that eggie this month! And that's good that you were able to sit down with DH and talk!

April - Have you tested yet? Inquiring minds need to know! Baby Dust to you!

Calgal - Hope your trip was good!

Hi to anyone I may have missed! Baby and "O" Dust to all! Have a great day, and stay warm and safe all my buddies who are in for bad weather today!

[aprilk]

Hi everyone. Well, still waiting and not testing (which is easier since I'm out of tests, lol). My temps had a nice rise this morning, so I've really gotten my hopes up. I figured I'd test on Sunday. Any wishes for babydust is much appreciated!!

Ginny~I hope that was an implantation dip! Fingers crossed for you.

Elmirady~Darn, I wish there was a dollar store around here. Then I might be more apt to test sooner. Sounds like you all have interesting weather happening right now.

Calgal~I'm so sorry to hear about the temp drop & af.

Fiona~Can you give me pointers on staying calm & stress-free? I feel like I'm going crazy at the moment.

Jenn~Glad to hear af has finally left. She always seems to stick around at my house for a week as well. Drive carefully & don't blow away in all that wind!

June~I'm glad your talk with dh went well. O dust to you.

Dune~Sorry to hear you're not feeling well. Hope you feel better soon.

April smile.gif

[Fiona]

Hi everyone

Yep we are getting the wind as well. Our outdoor chairs had blow across the lawn and our neighbour had lost their flag in their yard. It was one of those days I was grateful for a ride to work. But after only 20 minutes at work - we lost power. Yep lucky us right. Did some filing as it didn't require the use of a computer. The power was down for about 1hr 45minutes. Thankfully NiMo got it up and running again pretty quickly. Now I just have to hope that we haven't lost anything in our yard with the wind.

And its snowing as well. UGH winter is here way too early. They are forecasting up to 2inches by 7pm tonight and then more overnight as the lake effect bands move south and hit CNY.

Asides from that nothing else is really happening. Still just waiting for next week. It can't come soon enough for me. Although I am going to make DH spend some one on one time with me this weekend.

June: I hate the waiting. I am usually a relatively patient person. And as for the house cleaning - no. I am procrastinating on that. And you were asking about the windows. We have put shrink wrap like plastic over the windows to create an extra barrier and stop the heat being lost out the windows. Unfortunately the house we live in was built in the 1930's and has very little in the way of insulation so I have to do what I can to stop the heat leaking out and it costing us a fortune to heat.

Becki: Sorry to hear you are feeling under the weather. Hope you get better soon. Glad to hear that your aunt is doing so much better.

Jenn: Hope you made your trips safely this morning. They were saying that we were having gusts of 49mph and it was the same in Buffalo. Maybe the snow might miss you all together. I am also please to hear that AF moved on. Its about time she did. Have fun BD.

Ginny: I hope everything goes well for your DH at his appointment this afternoon. Let us know how it works out.

Dyann: Now we don't want any tornados around here. Please.
And what dollar store was selling test for a dollar. I will have to go look for those. But hopefully I will only need one more test.

April: Tips on staying calm. Going home climbing into PJ's and watching your favourite show on tv or reading a good book and ignoring everything that happens around you. Or alternatively practicing often the phrase I know nothing. Good luck with your chart this month. It looks good.

Well I am off - probably should do some real work now.

Fiona smile.gif

[jenn42302]

Morning girls!

I made it back alive!! OMG, the weather bureau clocked the winds at 72 mph at a station right next to where my workshop was!!! AND, the skyway was closed, but the workshop was not, so I had to find my way there, and had HUGE waves crashing over my car along the road to get there, all while I kept going in circles, getting lost. BUT, it was so totally worth it, it was a creativity conference and I learned so much yesterday. Plus, it was just me and the new designer (the other person couldn't make it) so we got to"bond" some. It was fun.

I have been an emotional wreck lately. Everything makes me weepy. I feel like I have PMS all the time!! One minute, I'm feeling great, the next graemlins/sobbing.gif and I know it's stress about TTC. Do you know how stressful it is to work 2 doors down from someone who's pg, and get to watch her grow on a daily basis?? And to listen about the pg, and to have to help plan the baby shower.. I'm actually VERY lucky because she is a very shy, quiet person, doesn't talk much about her "condition" and won't let us have a "real" baby shower (we're just taking her to dinner). I'm so sorry abou tht is pity party, I'm sure you are ALL facing something similar and I am just being a big baby. Sorry.

AHH, I need to be in a better mood!! It's Friday, we got less than a dusting on snow (which made me feel Christmas-y anyway, so that is good) and it's not so windy anymore!!

So, what's up with you guys?

Fiona ~ Hope you still have all your OWN outdoor items (and not your neighbors!) from all this wind, and I hope the snow passed you by as it seems to have passed me (though my house is north, and I'll see if the city got anything last night when I go into work this morning). And I hope you get that alone-time with DH this weekend too.

april ~ HEAPS AND HEAPS OF BABYDUST TO YOU!!! Come on temps, stay elevated!!!!!

Dyann ~ You got the wind we got, but I hope the snow passed you by, too! And I think it's hilarious that FF tells you when to test. There should be a checkbox for "early testers" or "impatient TTCers" and our test date would be at like, 4 dpo!!!! ;) Hope AF stays away and does not rear her ugly head!!

Ginny ~ I sure hope that was an implantation dip too!! How did the dr go?

Becki ~ SO happy your aunt is doing better!!!!! Hope that cold goes away! And we luv you anyway, we all do personals when we can!! And nope, can't say I read that book (I read all the time, but magazines, because I have the attention span of a 2 year old!!)

June ~ I hear you about the support you get here. I would have been labeled clinically insane without all you guys listening to my rantings!!!!! And I'm so happy you and DH talked. It is so important to keep the communication lines open.

calgal/surfergirl graemlins/wave.gif

O and babydust to all!!!!

jenn smile.gif

[calgal]

Good morning, ladies,

Well, I made it back from my trip to NY safe and sound, but boy was it windy on both ends! I flew up on Wed., but by the time I had to come back yesterday the gusts in both places were up to 45-50 mph, so I decided to just take the train. As I got into Baltimore, they said a tree had fallen on the power lines, so the train wasn't going anywhere any time soon. When I heard that they were paying for people who were going to BWI (airport) from there, I figured that meant they thought those people wouldn't get there in time for their flights (i.e. delay of more than 10 minutes), so I hopped off the train and split a cab back to D.C. with a very nice, very impatient guy. smile.gif Made it back here in time to make it to a work-related dinner, which was a lot of fun - except guess what? I ran into two law school classmates of mine (both friends of mine who married each other), and when I inquired about their now-2-or-so-year-old daughter, they told me she's great, and by the way, they're expecting their second in March! graemlins/crazy.gif I was (and am) honestly happy for them, but as I know you all know, I really, really, really want that to be ME soon! (Growl) Day 3 of AF, so hoping she'll be gone before the weekend's out.

Jenn - so sorry you have to work so close to someone who is pg. Just hearing about people gets me on edge, so seeing is even worse. Glad you made it home ok through the winds.

April - LOADS of baby dust to you - you can have mine until AF leaves me, but then I'm afraid I'll need it back . . . .

Dyann - I'm thinking maybe I need to take up the martial arts so that I can throw people around when they annoy me. smile.gif

Ginny - remind me why it is that we torture ourselves with constant testing??

Fiona - graemlins/wave.gif How are things by you?

June - it's amazing how sometimes we forget to talk with DH, right? My DH is going through some career angst right now, so I'm trying not to stress him out more by banging the "I want a baby" drum (I know he does, too). For some reason, though, the fact that I'll be 31 on Tuesday (yay me) but I'm not pg yet is freaking me out, even though I know many friends who are now or recently were pg after 30 (some at 35 with child #1). Oh well. Time for positive thoughts!

Have a great day everyone!

[elmirady]

Good Morning ladies! Well, I'm 7 dpo with all my temps above my coverline! (Look, I've got some of the lingo down!) Keep your fingers crossed! How soon would you all recommend I test. I'm trying to wait until it might be accurate. Let me know! Well, I gotta run, I'll be back for personals a little later! Baby and "O" Dust to all.

[SurferGirl]

Well, I'm going to be on my way to Boston today for the conference my organization is holding. I've never been to Boston, so this should be fun. I have an old co-worker who moved there and we'll be having dinner on Saturday night. Yay! It will be fun to see her.

DH has the flu/plague that I had. He is miserable and has said that he might actually go home early today! GASP! :eek: Hopefully he'll be mostly over it when I get back. I made him some squash and garlic bisque soup. Very good and only 0.5pts per cup so he can go nuts with his high calorie fruit drinks.

I have been a cleaning maniac. My MIL and FIL are coming for Thanksgiving and so I've been freaking out. I scrubbed, and mean SCRUBBED, down the bathroom (walls, floors, everything), cleaned and scrubbed the linen closet (DH is going to pick up some contact paper this weekend for the shelves), and deep cleaned the kitchen - stove, microwave, canisters, mixer, cupboards, drawers, floor. I was exhaused! I've also made up a list of cleaning for every room. I'm convinced that if I do a little every day that the final cleaning for their arrival will be a bit of dusting and vacuuming. Wow. I sound insane.

Jenn - Oh poor you! Buck up little camper. And now that AF has left I want to wish you good luck on this cycle. Maybe with your new employee the stress level at work will decrease. Or you could try Yoga and Meditation to help with the stress. And you can always vent here. smile.gif

Ginny - My fingers are crossed for you! How's it going?

Elmirady - Holy HPTs, Batman! :D Your temps look really good! How's your butt feeling after all the throws?

April - Your temps look good too! Gosh, could we have 3 graduates this month?

Fiona - Ugh. No power and SNOW! Yuck, Bluck. I've been thinking of putting plastic around our back door and around the walkout basement door. I'm pretty serious about staying warm this winter. Now that it's mid-November I'm starting to batten down the hatches.

Becki - It's good to hear that your aunt is doing better. My aunt was recently diagnosed with uterine cancer and since she just had a stroke 3 months ago they can't operate for another 3 months. They are still talking with their doctors about their options for treatment.

Calgal - Weren't the winds amazing out here? We had to strap down our trash cans! I hope it's setteling down from my flight out to Boston today.

June - How's it going?

[Fiona]

Hi everyone

Have I ever mentioned before how much I hate snow and ice. We have both. Unfortunately the winds and snow didn't pass us by. Blew the roof off a business just down the street (like less than half a mile as the crow flies). And by 6pm last night we had about 2 inches of snow and it was still snowing. Luckily we only got about an inch more so there is only a mere three inches on the ground. graemlins/ugh.gif Worst still they are forecasting more for this afternoon and tonight. Now that will go on top of the ice that is forming on the driveway and make it more slippery. Can I ask for a really short winter please.

Well I am a little frustrated by this whole ttc thing at the moment. I am sure it is just like Jenn said the stress of it all and then the extra medications that I am on. But it is also compounded by my SIL. They are coming for thanksgiving and personally I really don't want to go. Don't want to look at her, see her or hear about her baby (which is due at the end of june which means she got pregnant right around when we were visiting). DH thinks I am just being petty. I telling he isn't being considerate of my feelings. And we have less than two weeks to work it out. Would it look really bad if I called my Inlaws on thanksgiving day and said that I had a bad headache and couldn't make it?

Jenn: Glad you got some bonding time with your new designer. Being able to bond with the people you work with is good. And that drive yesterday sounds awful. I will have to get DH to take me and show me all his old haunts in Buffalo one day and see the city (never been there).

Calgal: Sorry that you are having to deal with yet another person being pregnant. Even DH commented to me the other night that all he seems to hear about is pregnant people. Either in real life or on the news or in tv shows.

Dyann: Well I am the worst person to ask for advice about testing (I never do it successfully) and I always wait. Maybe test at about 14dpo if you can wait that long.

April: How are you doing today?

Hi to everyone else.

Fiona smile.gif

[nancyny]

Fiona - you are not being petty. I know I don't normally post here but I know you from the Lifetime board. I suffered fertility problems and it was very difficult even to go grocery shopping where I would see babies and pregnant women that I didn't even know. At one point I couldn't even sit in my doctor's waiting room! And it went double for relatives, like my sister, who was pregnant with TWINS. You are NOT being petty, your feelings are perfectly normal. You will have to work it out as best you can but do NOT let your DH invalidate your feelings and your fears. I'm sure part of you is happy for your SIL and you don't want to give the wrong impression or alienate anyone even by accident.

If you are not up for Thanksgiving, I hope you and your dh can work out alternate arrangements. He needs to support you in this. You could say something like you're not feeling up to it but not say that it's the SIL that's the problem. (Heck, maybe you can blame your other medical problems.) Maybe you can go, but for less time. You can find some sort of compromise where you are comfortable and can escape if the feelings get too intense. If possible plan in advance so the relatives know what to expect. You are worth it and saving your relationship with your ILs is worth it.

My 2 cents' worth. Free and worth every penny.

(We now return to your normal board stuff.)

[ November 14, 2003, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: nancyny ]

[elmirady]

Ok ladies, I'm back hopefully for some personals. I just checked on the Circles area of FF to see if anyone has heard of these HPTs I got from the dollar tree, and low and behold they have, someone called the 800 number and they told her that these tests detect 25 (whatevers) of the Hcg level...that's pretty darn good for a $1 test!

Fiona - There is no way that I would wait until 14 dpo! Nope, not me...I'll probably start testing this weekend, and I have an OB/GYN annual visit on Tuesday, so I can have them do one of their super sensitive one's if AF doesn't show. She is due on Sunday. My driveway and sidewalk was a blanket of ice this morning. We lost power at my home from 1:30pm til 10pm :eek: I was never so happy to have the heat turn on...it was 55 degrees in the house.

Calgal - I know it's rough when we're TTC and others around us seem to have no trouble at all...in fact I was one of those people! Literally a one shot deal with DD and a one shot deal with one that was a blighted ovum m/c. So I can feel the frustration now myself. As for the throwing in Taekwondo...it's especially therapeutic when I get to throw and spar my husband! :D

Surfergirl - Geez, ya wanna come clean my house? My MIL is a neat freak. When we first moved into our house, she came to see it with a roll of papertowel and windex and immediately went cleaning all of my windows!

Jenn - I thought of you when I read that they Skyway was closed in Buffalo. I would have been freaked out with the wave thing! Gald you had some good bonding time with your new co-worker though, that's important!

MrsA925 - How was your Dr. appt?

June - Hope you "O" soon and get to BDing! smile.gif

Well, sorry if I missed anyone...Baby and "O" Dust to all!

[ November 14, 2003, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: elmirady ]

[aprilk]

Hi all. Thanks so much for the babydust & good wishes! Unfortunately, my temps dropped this morning, but I'm strangely still holding out hope. I figured I'd wait to test until Sunday (although I did pick up a three pack of tests, so maybe I'll try Saturday morning). As it's getting closer to the time I'll know, I'm feeling calmer since it's all out of my hands.

Fiona~We've probably had four feet of snow since the end of October, but since my job now depends on good snowfall, I'm learning to like it. Thanks for the advice on how to de-stress, I really needed that.

Surfergirl~You sound like I was last weekend, I was frantically cleaning under the stovetop. Dh thought maybe I was nesting, but I told him that doesn't happen until much later. ;)

Elmirady~Wow. Your chart looks great! Fingers crossed for you.

Calgal~I saw the pictures of the winds on the news, wow. Glad you made it home safely. Hope af leaves in a hurry.

Jenn~Thanks so much for the good wishes. I'm glad you made it back safely as well and that the winds have calmed down.

June, Dune, & Ginny~Hope you all are doing great!

April smile.gif

[tringinjune]

Hi there, just a quick check-in. I'd printed out the topic earlier today, but now I see a lot more posts which I haven't had the time to read yet.

Elmirady - here's a link to the FF topic on how soon to test ;) You've probably already seen it, but maybe someone will find it interesting. I wish we could be that patient!
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/Faqs/When_can_I_expect_a_positive_HPT_if_I_am_pregnant. html

I'm thinking I O'd yesterday, we'll see, BD was well timed. Off to read, and hopefully post later today. If not - have a great weekend everybody!

Babydust,
June
http://circles2.fertilityfriend.com/home/27e69

[aprilk]

I didn't want to start this week's thread on a negative note, so I'm posting on last week's thread. Tested yesterday and this morning and both were bfns.
Dh and I are trying to schedule fertility testing appointments for January since we'll have tried for year and a half at that point. Still trying to stay positive, but it's becoming harder. graemlins/sobbing.gif

April

[tringinjune]

****{hugs}}}